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Bar Fights and the male psyche
Last night I was out with a group of friends at a bar, it was a mix of a few guys and a bigger portion of attractive girls. As such ratios incur, a couple guys at the bar who weren't with us took on the role of the pick-up artist. Towards the end of the night a few of us were outside smoking a cigarette with the two guys who'd been hitting on our friends most of the night. Two of my friends started talking with them about this and that and one of the other guys punched my friend in the face. It was hardly out of nowhere as for absolutely no reason my friend wanted to fight. Now, I could tell you the story of the conversation that led up to this, but believe, it was hardly fight inspiring.

So, my two friends wrestled and fought on the street with these two other guys. I watched and laughed. I felt no inclination to take part, nor did I see any reason to break it up as both parties had made the decision that for some reason or the other they should resolve this "non-dispute" by way of their fists. And when it was over, when both duos were bruised up well enough, they went their separate ways, probably each one telling their friends back home how they completely destroyed these guys in a fight that night. All four of them loved it. It was so easy to see. Conceivably the entire fight was fueled by male testosterone as I imagine most bar fights are. My friends probably felt threatened by  these two British chaps, or maybe protective of our group of girls. But really there was absolutely no reason to fight as most of the times there isn't.

Now I have seen many fights like this before, and they've always struck me as just utterly stupid. I would roll my eyes at the minimal interaction that led up to the trading of fists and negatively judge whoever took part, both sides. But now I wonder. Why should I roll my eyes? I have smart friends, and yes they were drunk, but they knew there was absolutely no reason to fight these guys. And so did the other two. But they all did it. And why? Why not? They all had a lot of fun. My two friends were buzzing for the rest of the night as I imagine the other two were. No one was hurt so bad and really no hate was channeled by anyone involved. It was just an example of the age old practice of manfight.

And who doesn't enjoy watching a fight? I certainly had a good time of it though I wanted no part of the injuries incurred. But where do we draw the line? Was I wrong in not trying to break it up? Had I seen any one person getting pounded too hard I know I would have stepped in, but as I saw, it was a perfectly fair fight. And isn't that fine?
You're right in your assessment about both parties winning. Fights are fun. Fighting is fun. But there are different kinds and different times when it is not fun. In the case you mentioned nobody lost. It was a mutual engagement from everyone involved rather than an attack. In the fight you mentioned it doesn't sound as if anyone wanted to cause bodily harm to the other. And I agree with you, I think some stigma should be removed from the bar fight.

But I'd say it is the responsibility of the voyeurs to pull the fight apart in every situation. Fights can get out of hand in an instant and that old saying "you could lose your eye" does happen, especially when alcohol is flowing through the veins of the pugilists. Not only that but by pulling them apart you're saving your friends from having to deal with the cops or else possibly hurting some other watcher who wanted no part in the exchange of blows.

I've been in a few similar situations as the fighter and though at the time I was pissed someone pulled me back, the next day I was thankful. The rush of the fight is better than the rush of the alcohol and in the few scuffles I've been involved in, afterward you would have seen a big grin on my face that didn't fade for hours. And those fights were about absolutely nothing as you said, it was merely an aching to engage in the historical act. It felt good to pass punches back and forth, it felt just as good to walk away aching and sore as it did to walk away the champion. It made Fight Club ring with truth. Call it masochism if you want, but I've always taken some degree of pleasure from bruises, scratches, breaks, and scars. They are indication that I am alive. And though the first few days kill, feeling firsthand the power of the healing process is truly invigorating.

Does anyone else think Fight Club had it right? Why do I (hesitant to say we) enjoy slight pain? Is it the the actual feeling we enjoy or is it the indication of our ability to master it? 
People like to feel their bodies, and fighting is a good way. Even just watching is exciting, or at least that's what the people watching boxing, or Hockey think. Much of the interest in watching cycling, or at least how it is covered by the media is - " look at the pain in their eyes," and "they must be in such tremendous pain." We idealize pain in a certain way, perhaps still a remainder from the days of the warriors. How many games are there of who can suffer the most? Much of sports is built around that. Just yesterday I saw some competition of who can stay inside an extremely hot sauna the longest. They even made it part of yoga - have you tried Bikram Yoga? (yoga in a steaming hot room).

Feeling pain and accepting it is part of being a man, a man's man, though many of those will start crying if a nurse wants to prick a needle in them (and can you blame them?). Getting the injury from another man is the key. If you get it from a woman it's much less enjoyable, even, especially, if she's really pretty.

Another reason is that people want to feel their interior. It's hard, how do you feel you have an interior? They want things to penetrate, and though fists don't penetrate, they still do something. They still move the interiors around.

Another reason, for some people, is that they feel they need to be punished, and getting into fights is also a way to be punished. Or religiously, repeating the pain of Christ.


When I was very young I liked to fight. I fought a lot. Really, a lot, and I was good at it, even though I was physically rather weak. At some point in my childhood my fights moved to be more theoretical. The energy moved elsewhere where it could be much more powerful. Part of fighting is confronting obstacles and overcoming them. As Chris Utterman said on Asking the big questions, post  (continuing from an Edna Stern post on wilderness), these obstacles keep getting bigger and bigger:
"One advances by overcoming obstacles, again and again, and to become really serious one trains oneself for the greatest obstacles. The big questions are in a way the wilderness. A vastness that can't be conquered and can only be walked in."
Fighting is still checking your powers, proving yourself, against a very weak enemy - even if that enemy is Schwarzenegger from his terminator days. They might beat you up, seriously beat you up, but even if you beat them it's nothing.

Should you have stopped it - why? As you note, they seemed to have all enjoyed it. As long as innocent bystanders aren't hurt.
I admit that I've never seen a bar fight, let alone participate in one. I wonder if it's because I live in a very violent country - Israel. There are fights, of course, but they are quite rare and limited to a certain kind of bars. It's certainly not part of the local macho culture. And when fights do happen they usually turn real bad, knives are pulled, the police arrives etc.

Coming to think of it, even combat sports in Israel are relatively non-violent, there's practically no boxing, wrestling etc., only "clean" stuff like judo. I wonder - do you think when males have enough real fighting, when they cause and experience real suffering, they don't need more for the fun?
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