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Either/Or--Both/And
I'm putting this into a "new discussion," because it's the only way (I'm new to THINQon, so this may be an act of pure ignorance) I know how to address people across the entire website.

The issue I want to raise occurred to me after reading posts directed to the question: are values inherent or are they learned.  It struck me that this way of raising the issue was misleading, because it used the form either/or rather than both/and.  And I'm phrasing the question: is it always incorrect to pose a question in the either/or format, and is it always right to pose it in the both/and format.  Note that I'm posing my own question in the former style, for the sake of provocation, as well as, I hope, accuracy.

I believe that it's almost always, if not simply always,  misleading to pose questions in this way. For an historical discussion of a well-known American figure who commonly used either/or rehetoric, see Joseph Ellis's biography of Thomas Jefferson.  But we all do it from time to time, to sharpen or provoke an answer. It's even been suggested that this form is built into American political discourse.  Often the wished for answer is inherent in how the question is posed, as in the way I posed my own question.  It implies its own answer.  It's therefore a tricky way to think about issues.

I suggest further that it's tricky, in addition, because it invites us into a world of black and white thinking: either this or that.  It defines out of existence the vast middle, where most answers are found.  It's often used by politicians for this reason: to persuade to one side or the other.  Often it has the quality of "when did you stop beating your mother":  hidden or not-so-hidden persuasive messages.

My major reason for arguing against this rhetorical form is the implication that the answer is all or nothing.  I'm arguing for "both/and"  because it it's a better invitation to thought.  It says that most, if not all, things are best addressed in the open-ended grey middle, as a matter of degrees, or a matter of interactions.  It reminds us that in any issues found on Pandelous, there's always room for more.  Just as we don't finish our tasks or wishes before dying, but just die when we must; we never finish an issue on THINQon (unless the sought-after answer is purely factual); we just keep eating away till we're, for the moment, sated.
Thanks Alan for this post. I think that the both/and form is a luxury form we are having here and that we should definitely abuse of it. How many times in our day to day life can we have both/and choices. We are asked everyday to take position and to make decisions when most of the time we'd rather not. Most actions taken have good reasons behind them but we often have to decide for or against them even though it is usually rather difficult. How many times do we have the chance to change our mind because our thoughts have evolved according to new elements at hand. Most of the time this is perceived as a weakness when I think it is a strength. How many times do we get the time to think before giving an opinion? Our life is usually driven by very quick yes or no answers which are supposed to be thought through and solid like rocks. To me, the either/or rethorical form is a major contributing factor to the amount of stress that characterizes today's life.

And that is why I enjoy this site, I have the time to think, I can change my mind as many times as I wish, I can just write as I think, let the others comment and then realize I could have thought better. I can go through all sides of a questions without feeling that I have to have a definite opinion. All we give here are contributions not final words and this for me represents a relief.
"Either/or", "black/white". I think your point is important - asking questions in this manner often leads to polarization and extreme defenses of one's position. I stopped writing on "Burka or no burka" because the discussion eventually stopped and just became "I for it - here are more of my arguments." or "I am against it - here are more of my arguments." Even I had started writing that way. However - even though the question was posed as "either/or" - the discussion in the beginning was truly thoughtful and the participants were actually reading and responding with consideration to arguments that they didn't agree with. It did seem that a couple of aggressively written responses quickly turned the tide. I too am rather new to this and I must admit that I also responded aggressively to these responses. Interestingly, I responded aggressively to both the one I agreed with and to the one I disagreed with. That is I "applauded" the one and "dismissed" the other.So I am not sure that posing the question differently would always help towards "both/and" discussions. I think it is more about the participants realizing that our response must not be just arguments for or against even when we are provoked by the Thomas Jeffersons - that both our agreement and disagreement must reflect an open and careful consideration of the writings of others. This does not mean we have to be tolerant of opinions we find offensive - just that we must first consider them openly and carefully and not just dismissively.
I’m new here too, and have to apologize for citing the book I’m currently reading so often, but again I think it addresses a topic in question.  The book is, “Women, Fire, and Dangerous Things, by Lakoff.  He gets his curious title from another’s study of an aboriginal language, which has discovered that women, fire, and dangerous things are each included into the same linguistic category.  He sub-titles his book, What Categories Reveal about the Mind.

Your question seems to be one about categories, in that black and white are included as opposite poles of the one category.  How we categorize things determines how we think about them.

I’m on page 122 of 600, so can’t really present an argument.  Maybe I won’t be able to even after I’m finished.  I’m not much of a debater.  But study it the sake of my own thought.  I’ve always been displeased by the way that I think, and have to begun to suspect it was something about how things are categorized that make me run into so many contradictions and dead ends. 

It may be the case that society at large, as a single organism, seeks stability but, if said instruction had a psyche, it is developing symptoms from that repression.  Places of rupture where germs of a new type of thought breed.
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