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Freedom Vs. Fascism – what do we really want?
Between freedom and fascism:

How much freedom do we want, how much do we say we want, and how much do we want things decided for us?

A very interesting test case, which we can learn a lot from, is computer operating systems. Nowhere perhaps is this question more apparent than in computers where people claim they want to control configuration, but also want a simple clean interface.

For instance, I lately decided to try out windows 7 release candidate to see how it is. It is very nice besides one thing which really annoys me (the task bar in my case) and which can't be configured the way I want it (the way it was before, unsurprisingly). Then people get upset at the lack of configuration, and some move to a Mac. This is of course ironic as Mac's are as close as you can get to fascism where you have almost no choice. But this lack of choice is also easy and comforting – this is how it is, and as fascism go they do many things nicely. (A footnote for the computer experts and mac fanatics out there – perhaps if you know the in and outs of programming you can configure things; Similarly, being a member of the ruling party in fascistic regimes you don't need to follow all their rules).

More than the debate mac/pc I think the two options and people's preferences are illuminating. None of us are free from the pull of fascism. PC users are not necessarily these free birds while Mac users are sheep (walking after the “cool”/charismatic shepherd). In all of us there is this pull for a lack of freedom. But it is also interesting how giving people some freedom makes them notice most the lack of freedom, and how this simultaneously leads to wanting to have no freedom.

A precision needs to be made though. It is not merely the extra freedom of Windows which makes us want to reconfigure things but the fact that they are done badly. There is a certain perfection in macs where you don't feel the same need to fiddle with things as they are the way they are. But these feelings should be analyzed. I'm not sure where they come from, but I am sure the feeling of perfection is an illusion. Similarly the feeling of being done badly is also not completely correct but comes from a different viewpoint and compromises. (After working a bit in Windows 7 I understand why they did what I don't like. It is still annoying and they should probably fix it, but it goes with some new things they did and they don't want to have you have too many things to configure. It's complicated).

Almost none of us want to decide everything in our lives. A friend of mine when needing to have a small surgery done was asked to choose between several possible methods – the doctors wouldn't choose for them. Similarly, a friend and recent father recounted the many choices they had to make for the childbirth with almost no guidance from the doctors who don't want to take responsibility for a choice.

Yes, it is important to have choice post and to see possibilities, but is that what people want?
Hi Hugh,
In the topic on the discoloration of the iPhone 3GS and why do the macboys accept to be treated like this, post, I also mentioned:

With the focus now on Iran, closing the [cellular] thread reminds me of dictatorial regimes. It is then funny how mac is usually defined as fascistic. (For many reasons, among them being without choice, and controlling everything, to the delight of its users). I then noticed the name: an I-phone. I-phone, I-pod, I-Mac. What's funnier than everyone in a dictatorship/mob feeling like an individual.
I think every sector of our lives should be open and free, and people need to stop being lazy, and learn how to do basic things. I mean if we don't learn these skills someone else will make it so that we don't have to, and that to me is the scariest thing in the world.
Now is this PC boys talking trash to us Mac boys?

Are you all seriously saying that choosing one system over another is indicative of my commitment to freedom or fascism? On the face of it, such an assertion doesn't hold up. A carpenter who chooses a tool with less controls does so because he understands how the tool works and does not need the extra information about such things as rpm controls would offer. On the other hand, someone working in a machine shop is very interested in  controlling the rotational speed of drills and lathes, and it makes good sense for that person to buy tools with more exact controls.

The argument you all are making seems to be that people on Macs do not know how to control their computers the way that users of Windows computers do -- and that lack of knowledge implies some sort of relation to fascism.

A programmer could make the same argument -- I lack the knowledge of how to program an application, so I really don't know how it works, or how to use it unless I know how to program myself. I am not convinced by that argument either -- I know how to use applications as tools for my work. Sometimes the application does not fit the type of work I want to do, in which case I have to find another application that does the work.

I know how to use a hammer, and a circular saw, but I can't give you the details of how they are made -- is this lack of knowledge showing a lack of freedom?

At the base of these arguments is lurking an assumption: PC users are smarter than Mac users. If you all seriously think that Mac users are lazy about system controls, make the argument. This connection to freedom and fascism seems fanciful at best.
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