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Let’s consider persons, a single person, someone living today.  Compare this person to one from long ago, say 2000 years ago.  For the contemporary person we have a handy reference, each of us using ourselves, our own sense of who we are for the comparison.  It’s this reflective sense of self that we’re questioning.  Would this sense of Self move back through history intact?  Would you as you sense yourself, if transposed back two thousand years, be unable to function, become isolated, a madperson without any capacity to relate to the world? 

Did someone living around the beginning or the Christian Era have a Self at all to reference, an ambience of personality, of self?

I’ve referenced this concept, that once there was no Self, several times on THINQon, but there have never been any comments on it.  Which is striking in how, if accepted, our ideas about our species would so dramatically change.  It would be a deathblow to fundamentalists of every sort.

  Darwinism, if Selfhood became an evolving entity, would shift from the biological.  Fundamentalists of every sort would recieve a death-blow, since historical continuity would be shifted inward, historical events loosing status, at the same time weakening the dates and ceremonies that fundamentalists hold standard.

This is more than idle speculation on my part. Charles Taylor in Sources of the Self traces emerging selfhood and the turn inward from antiquity to the present.

Hardly possible to imagine yourself without an inner Self to refer to, but any thoughts on this?  So you think it’s an important concept?  So you think that accepting it as fact would benefit us moving forward through our troubled times?
Hi Ted, One interpretation of the Garden of Eden story is that it marks the line man crossed when he evolved from animal with no sense of self or self consciousness into the self conscious beings we are today.  Before then we could stroll around with no pants on but we can't today because of the shame we would feel.  (well most of us, anyway).  With the Self comes the Ego and it is a really big problem sometimes known as Pride.  Pride is the deadliest of the Seven Deadly Sins.  On the path to spiritual enlightenment Ego has to be eliminated to achieve perfection.  When in traffic and someone cuts you off, out comes your ego and then out comes your finger.  "Who is that jerk to cut off the great ME" you growl to yourself.  Now multiply this times a billion and you've got the Mideast, which is no more than the Hatfields and McCoys on a multi-country level.  Mother Nature troubles us with hurricanes, tornados, floods, famine, fire, earthquakes and volcanoes.  All the rest of our troubles are man-made and mostly caused by ego i.e. foolish pride.  Jesus said to "turn the other cheek".  Easier said than done.  Ego is the biggest barrier to loving one another but if we all could we would have heaven on earth.  So Ted, I see Self as a terrible thing, a thing to be eliminated, but I also know that it would require a huge effort for all of us and an almost unbelieveable maturity.  Consider the word "selfish".  Virgil Trahan
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