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Rise of the Planet of the Apes - Is it all that bad?


Seeing the name of an upcoming film, The Rise of the Planet of the Apes, I was just thinking - is it all that bad?
The original planet of the apes saw the apes as going backwards to a less evolved version of people. (The apes didn't use lasers, didn't have airplanes, and were just a bit more intelligent than our perception of talking apes.). Today, on the contrary, there is a constant fear of losing our humanity and turning into robots, so that apes aren't looking so bad at the moment. Returning to our animal origin seems much better than to our robotic future.

Do we want to live in a world where we are among information seeking robots, tweeting and checking in wherever they go, or fun seeking, reflective, apes? I have no idea what the movie will be about, but already I can feel a desire in society for a rising of the apes. (For example, Avatar).
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What a great post. I wonder though why it is that although on the surface we humans are much more animal than machine, we nonetheless find it much easier to imagine "human-machine hybrids" than, say, "human-animal hybrids." I'm thinking back to the Vampires discussion, for instance Emily's hypothesis about what vampires are  and Roy's remark that

"I think vampires are part of this feeling of fear of becoming inhuman in this modern electronic world, as people above have suggested. Fear of becoming a machine."

Going back to hybrids: in the context of that discussion, people brought up plenty of examples of cyborgs, hybrids, machines come to life, et cetera. At the same time, I feel like our cultural imagination of animal/human hybrids -- werewolves, are there other good examples? Centaurs? -- is really not so resonant these days.

To take this a little further, I wonder what people feel that the apes represent? Certainly in one sense, animals, as you suggest. But perhaps "a less evolved version of people" gets more to the heart of it. Maybe in the future this Darwinism people are so obsessed with will be seen to go backwards as well as forwards, not unlike how the onward-and-upward free market theories are now being called into question.

On a related note, I really think that the public's imagination of animals, especially animals in movies, is not too real after years of animations and animal characters which were essentially humans in different bodies. So when we think, collectively, about our own "animal nature," I wonder what it is we really have in mind.

In response to Solveig Wright
I can’t help saying that if someone was scribbling a random scenario the concept of upward and onward as an orginizing  paradigm would be immediately rejected.  But now we have so much at stake that it is hard to see things as they are.

But more on topic, Solveig has a great point of departure wondering what we have in mind when we think about our animal natures.  These metaphors do change, and this one seems to be under pressure.

Our relationships with animals in the wild has be literatureized.  They no longer have much of an impact on our daily lives.  We read about them with the cat on our lap.  They no longer represent something different, but an aspect of ourselves as we refer to ouselves.

Wild animals are no more free than we are.  We and wild animals alike are subject to the terms of our existances.  I wonder if we posit the wild animal solely for contrast, and that it has become an empty category.  One of those utopian positions that has only tonal value.  If wildness becomes more bright, do we become darker?
"Do we want to live in a world where we are among information seeking robots, tweeting and checking in wherever they go, or fun seeking, reflective, apes? I have no idea what the movie will be about, but already I can feel a desire in society for a rising of the apes."

Linda previously asked: What should we free ourselves from? I think there is a hope of a revolution, of a cutting of some chains. This hope comes from the growing robotization of the western world, as you describe, and what seems like total acceptance and submission to the law, at least in the US.

People are tired of the The growing costs of living well and the economic situation. In the tech world you can see people writing good reviews of Google+ only because they hope to topple from its height the evil empire of Facebook and/or Twitter, though Google+ is just another version of these nonsense services (services that people are stupidly submitting themselves to because that's what other people are doing).
In the Middle east people are revolting. Seriously in some arab countries, less seriously in Israel where you just feel a need to revolt (I'm not talking about the Palestinians) perhaps being envious of our Arab neighbors . You see crazy terrorists in Norway. And yet in America - silence. People accept almost completely the situation, no matter if the leaders are becoming more and more insane - I'm looking at you the Republican party.

This utter acceptance and submission - people are getting tired of it. Currently in the US it is mostly taking shape in the outskirts of insanity in the form of tea parties and other right wing positions, but what about the rest of the country? I'm not sure what will happen, but something will.
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