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Vicarious pleasure: Burton, Cavett and the fascination of others' lives
Part of the reason I felt this belonged in the bedroom was the inherent voyeurism of the post -- others may disagree. But, it is going somewhere.

I have been following with interest the recent series of videos on the NY Times in which Dick Cavett presents a series of interviews, from his talk show, with the inimitable Richard Burton. The first two (the first, especially) I found quite spectacular. They were all Burton telling stories of himself: and complicated as those might be, there was something so lyrical about them -- that indefinable quality of the great actor -- that one could take immense pleasure in this self-revelation.

And then during the third interview Cavett's tone changes. The real interest comes out: he cares less about Burton himself than about the myriad other famous people Burton knows. He wants to hear about Bogart, about touching Garbo's knee, about Spencer Tracy (a bit reluctantly; he would have been happy to stay with Bogey and Bacall), about Hollywood life, about Liz Taylor. You can feel Burton's very slight resistance to this, under the surface. How grating it must be to be invited to speak about yourself and to be asked to speak about people one has known.  For some characters this would work, but not for someone like Burton who is unquestionably a leading man, not in the sense of arrogance but more in the sense of not organizing his life around clever tales about other people.
 
Somehow there is really a certain dismissal in this: rather than "Tell us about you," it becomes a kind of ingratiating "Tell us what it would be like for me to be in your place, let me imagine I am sitting there and Bogart says to me:..."

This is part complaint, part comment, part basic question: what is the role of vicarious pleasure, and what does it reveal about the questioner?
You say it is a dismissal on the part of the questioner who is apparently more interested in the time and space of the person than the actual person, but I think I disagree to some extent (not having seen the interview of course). Is it truly fair for a supposedly objective journalist or interviewer to ask his subject for a personal testimony or statement of his own character? Not faulting the interviewee but that will no doubt be inherently biased. To really understand a person is it not better to hear about his or her relationships to people and places? In hearing how he moves through his relationships and to who and what he places importance aren't we slowly putting together a map of his existence? The job of the questioner in my opinion is to evoke this vicarious living so we as audience members and strangers can jump into an understanding of their life. I guess as you suggest the interviewer is going about it all wrong and only uses Burton as a means to enter the lives of people he finds more interesting. But done in a more professional manner a good interviewer can elicit great meaning out of a person's external experiences.

On another note, your post reminds me of that German movie Lives of Others which actually won best Foreign Film at the Oscars a couple years ago. The story revolves around a collective of East Berlin artists and pro-west sympathizers and the Stasi official who is commissioned to spy on them. I don't want to ruin anything for those who haven't seen the movie because it is quite fantastic in almost every respect, but I will say the conflict of the movie arises out of the act of watching. And as audience members watching someone watching other people on the screen, we've made a concession to the director who knowingly and subtly has us examine the pleasure we take out of the lives of others.

I don't want to abstract your post to the point where it loses all meaning, but doesn't every piece of fiction or possibly even all art, invite its audience to the domain of vicarious pleasure? When we read a story aren't we living through the characters and when we regard a painting aren't we altering our eye to fit in the position of the artist's? I wonder how our tastes in art in this sense, that is, our taste in whose lives we'd like to live vicariously through, speak to our own character. What professions speak to this vicarious living most? Journalists? Psychologists? Story-tellers?

How important is vicarious living as an educational mechanism?
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