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Virility: Women at work
For those of you who are professional women, or who interact with women in a professional capacity:

In what way do you think it's acceptable, useful or productive for a woman to express her sexuality at work?
I don't mean leaving the top button of her blouse undone. I mean "what's the feminine equivalent of virility?"

When you see a man closing a deal, winning something, beating the competition, there's a kind of celebratory flush which merges nicely with his self-conception as a productive, happy, sexual human. Adrenaline, pheremones, the slight sweat and the broad grin of success -- these are not overtly sexual but they're all things which will make a man walk into a bar afterwards with a broad grin on his face, making him an order of magnitude more attractive. (And his colleagues will doubtless find this flush, this attention, natural and even endearing.)

Now, some people might stop here, arguing that society already conflates success and sexual potency in men. Actually, what I'm describing is a little more subtle. I think it's normal for there to be a certain connection of creative energy, competitive energy, sexual energy, etc -- for men and women -- but the way this gets expressed can be radically different. We don't need to collapse these different energies into one, but my question is getting at the edges of where they blur together.

Empirically, I'd like to understand, for instance: in what sense does success at work "naturally" make women feel more sexually potent, attractive or powerful? In what sense does it lead them to be perceived this way by others? In what sense can they "actually" (successfully) express it?
Either you've just seen 'Wallstreet' for the first time or I was in the wrong business. I worked in an engineering firm in the western Canadian oilpatch. The successful engineer was the one who could assemble and manage the most talented team for a project. The idea of the leader puffing up because HE succeeded just rings so wrong. I have never heard a project leader speak in any terms other than we, our, us, etc. The women managers I've met or heard are even more focused on a team approach. The one exception I'm aware of, Carli Fiorano (sp?) is just proof of whereof I speak, a chest pounding, egotistical failure.

In response to william kensit
Oh dear, William, thanks for taking the plunge but that wasn't what I meant, at all -- though you do have a great way with words. For instance, I'm not sure where you got "self vs team" out of my post, I don't think it was anywhere in there.

What I was describing had to do with the way we experience our sexuality as connected to creativity, and asking about positive expressions of this.

As I said clearly, this isn't about vulgarly conflating the two, but more trying to get at a fact of our common humanity which appears to be expressed -- and perhaps, I am not sure about this, experienced -- differently in people of different genders.

In response to Solveig Wright
Sorry Solveig I was just swept up with the vision of Studly Doright bursting into the room with his shit eating grin burning thru the cloud of pheromones. For me creative and competitive energy came at the cost of sexual energy. I'm not a high energy type and the 70+ hours a week the job entailed consumed the bulk of whatever energy I had. If success at work makes a woman feel more sexually potent or attractive accept it as a bonus but one that is true only for the woman herself. Hang around the coffee machine and find that what men find sexually potent and attractive is a womans physical package. If she is physically attractive and has a successful carreer the one explains the other. Presidents don't marry vice-presidents, they marry secretaries.
  I think the potency of success derives more from the fact that the success is usually well compensated and the man is better able to provide for his offspring which adds to his attractiveness but has nothing to do with sexual potency. This is important to women but not to men. Society has a recognized role for men in business but women must invent their own. To be successful she will have to work as hard as a male who has no comparable responsibility in family life.
 I derived great satisfaction and fulfillment from work but never felt sexually potent, or attractive from it. For me it's an alien concept. Power came from the ability to influence the course of the company, to hire, fire, and aid the carreer of others. The joy of hiring never remotely compensates for the pain of firing. The power being contingent upon position it is as transient as our lives.
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