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Zodiac - Why should the date of my birth effect who I become? Dealing with what we don't understand.
Zodiac - Why should the date of my birth effect who I become? How to rationally deal with what we don’t understand?

The date of my birth effected who I became. It’s strange to accept this. It doesn’t only affect it in a very general way of seasons or whatnot, but the very specific day matters to whom I’ll become. I can’t understand why that would be. Our science can’t explain it. And yet there is plenty of proof.  

The zodiac gives descriptions, a lot of descriptions, of our characters given our birthdate, but it doesn’t give explanations for why that would be. Ok, maybe if you buy into the “Moon over Jupiter” explanations which I can’t take seriously. Even if Jupiter’s location affects me, I need to understand why that is or else it seems like gibberish.

Let me be clear, there is plenty of proof for the Zodiac viewpoint. (By the Zodiac I mean descriptions of characters and not the horoscope future predictions!!) The proof, as far as I can see, is more than merely psychological trickery. That is, I recently mentioned to a friend that Murphy’s laws’ truth lies only in our psychology. That we see them when we want to, and don’t see when they don’t happen. This, it seems to me, is not the full case with the Zodiac.

An especially brilliant book I browsed through is the Secret Language of Birthdays. For each birthday it gives a description, and at least for the examples I looked at it was much more correct than not. In fact, it was so correct as to reveal character aspects of myself which I didn’t bring into words, as well as of my friends.

But science is more than descriptions, it gives you the cause to the effect, and that the Zodiac doesn’t give us. You can understand why, it is a very complicated system with a lot of leeway.

Most people reaction to what they can’t explain is to see it as nonsense, or as magic. That is not my reaction. I see proof, but proof with no valid explanation, and no predictive capacity (perhaps because of the complexity of the system).

 

How then to deal with what you don’t understand and yet accept to be true? How to distinguish between it and other possible gibberish? Tarot readings – utter nonsense; but maybe it’s just because I don’t know enough (not). People who talk to ghosts – wackos, but then I heard some amazing stories that I’d be hard pressed to disbelieve. The fact of the matter is that I don’t know. That none of us know. As we all know, the difference between science and magic is knowledge as is often described in time-travel books and movies.

How to deal with such things in a more sophisticated way than rejecting them because we don’t understand them?

  
Books Discussed
The Secret Language of Birthdays (reissue)
by Gary Goldschneider; Joost Elffers

Hard question Hugh. One historical answer has been religion, though I'm not sure religion tries to explain what you can't prove, and rather provide ready made answers to any question you might ask.

The other response is, as you mention, to not accept it as true and decide it's nonsense unless you get some better explanations for why it would be so. That is, to just ignore it.

The third is to try to develop a theory of why things happen. For example, why does the apple fall - gravity. Gravity isn't explained very well, it is a metaphor for a power that can act at a distance. Later people didn't like that there was no material involved and the Graviton element was invented (if my memory serves me). But science has predictability together with explanations so that you're more likely to accept these explanations.

In biology many of the scientific explanations are not much more involved than the zodiac ones, but again they have predictability and usability -pills. Modern medicine didn't know what to do with Chinese medicine and herbs until it learned to verify things from a statistical viewpoint and started learning from it how to find new medicines by seeing which herbs, animals and plants helped and testing extracts from them.

Lastly, to live with the question mark and try to use it the best way you can, while treading carefully as it is always mostly quacks..
Interesting topic Hugh and very insightful post Roy. I don't know if I believe much in the Zodiac's but I noticed lately as I brought up the topic of birthday into conversation with friends, how everyone is so proud with his or her birth date. They say "I'm 16 of May" with a smile, and others on the table will comment on what a nice date it is etc. It's not unlike meeting people from different countries who are proud of their country's of origin and say how beautiful it is. I'm not sure if our date determines who we are, but as we are sentimentally attached to it, we certainly connect our identity with it and say it is us. 
I have found that I wonder about this question at a meta-level.

Where do ideas about zodiac divination come from, and why do we tend to cleave to these ideas in the face of prevailing cultures that dismiss them as devilry or superstition? neither side of the now accepted cultural divide (science/religion) gives creedence to these notions, so how do they hold on?

The question takes on a greater resonance when we notice that star-lore and associated divinatory practices have been a facet of every major culture that I know of. They are not the same everywhere, but something like it arises from every civilization.

The thing becomes very interesting when you begin to look for original sources. What is discovered is not what one expects. Our current simplified model of star-casting based on birth month is almost utterly without foundation; it is as though we have abbreviated our depth of knowledge in proportion to the prevalence of artificial light.

I wonder where the instinct for this comes from. It is so strong that ten year olds take it up. My own staunch Christian mother routinely classifies people by these categories. What is the driver for this downcast facet of culture?

I study the zoo dial because I am a curious rational positivist (when I can find the time...) and I can look at the sky and see the constellations. I am a very, very amatuer astronomer, with one foot in science and the other in pagan lore. The old stories jump up and live when you start to connect them to the stars wheeling over us. The 'Clash of the Titans' took on a much different spin after I started this journey.

But far from making an astrologer of me, my penchant for originalism makes me a bit of a threat to those practitioners that I find in my company. The Woo business, it seems, is older than history, and it only admits of just enough fog and sparkle to get the job done; not more, not less.

Before one hitches the wagons to this birth-month detirminism too totally, I would suggest a blind test... obscure references to the months implicit or explicit in the predictions. Randomize their order and read them all, placing them in order of correctness in prediction. If this gives a strong statistical correlation, perhaps we have something here.

But I don't think we would find it true. Interest in such matters has been very high in the past, and it has almost certainly been subjected to some testing. More tellingly, we have a six billion member sample pool of humans out there crashing into each other... trends based on birth month or day would be easily spotted.

It reminds me of my best rebuttal for the idea that cell phones cause cancer. Most people favor one ear (I myself use my right *exclusively*) and we now have over a billion persons conducting the human experiment. If there is *any* correlation, it would be inescapable by now.

So what do you think? Why do we cleave to these ideas?
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